[Disco]

So I'm pretty sure that when my CX50 arrives it will be my last car with an ICE engine. Anyone else feel this will be there last as well?

Not that it matters much to me but it's just an interesting point. I'm actually already looking forward to what the Mazda PHEV and BEV lineup will look like. Hopefully it will be something to look forward to. It will have to be significantly better than the MX-30 to keep me a loyal Mazda customer.

 

[Litfuse]

So I'm pretty sure that when my CX50 arrives it will be my last car with an ICE engine. Anyone else feel this will be there last as well?

Not that it matters much to me but it's just an interesting point. I'm actually already looking forward to what the Mazda PHEV and BEV lineup will look like. Hopefully it will be something to look forward to. It will have to be significantly better than the MX-30 to keep me a loyal Mazda customer.

Nope, not at all. Not to get in a political discussion, but the ICE will continue to be offered. Some manufactures are pulling away their development resources from EV. They are realizing the cost to manufacture an EV is unattainable for the average household. I hope manufacturers continue to tweak the efficiency and reliability of hybrid systems.

 

[Disco]

Never said ICE wouldn't continue to be offered. Just thinking this will be my last ICE vehicle and was wondering if anyone else was thinking the same.

 

[Litfuse]

Never said ICE wouldn't continue to be offered. Just thinking this will be my last ICE vehicle and was wondering if anyone else was thinking the same.

Sorry, misread what you were trying to say. But to go with my original statement, I’m interested in a hybrid system for a daily, but I will continue to prefer ICE for my fun/weekend/track car.

 

[truckster]

Yeah, I’ve mentioned to my wife the same. Probably looking at future vehicle purchases for us to be hybrid as far as daily drivers go. Hope it’s not for many years. I like my vehicles to last

 

[ZeekZirconPPT]

Why bother with making it your last ICE car when synthetic gasoline is coming?

 

[Disco]

Will synthetic gasoline ever become economically viable? I admit I don't know a lot about it.

 

[ZeekZirconPPT]

Sooner than you might think. A English company Coryton just tested their fuel in an otherwise unmodified MX-5 for over 1000 miles.

Mazda lap records powered by SUSTAIN 100% road fuel | Coryton

Mazda MX-5 has established a benchmark lap time for a zero fossil fuel sustainable fuelled car in each of the UK home nations, powered by SUSTAIN 100% road fuel from Coryton.

coryton.com

And Porsche is operating a facility in Chile to synthesize synthetic fuel using solar power.

Porsche pumps first synthetic fuel as Chilean plant finally starts producing

Porsche today pumped the first gallons of its fully synthetic fuel into a car. That car? A 911, of course.

techcrunch.com

 

[RedBaron]

Sooner than you might think. A English company Coryton just tested their fuel in an otherwise unmodified MX-5 for over 1000 miles.

Wow, bever heard of that before, thanks. I know that the Germans manufactured 'synthetic' gas from coal during the latter part of the war, but that's not what you might call sustainable 🤓

 

[Sparky915]

I initially thought the same thing, that this would be my last cool ICE car, but now I don't believe that they're ever going to go away. EVs are not as environmentally friendly as you think, and producing them has its own major downsides where the batteries are concerned. By the time an EV is produced, it has already created as much pollution as an ICE car will produce in ten years. Let that sink in... Gasoline is way easier to produce and store, not to mention it costs less. Modern emissions systems have become really good and the average car only produces as much pollution per day as one farting cow produces per day. I know a guy who races cars and owns a performance tuning shop, and he says within the next 10 years the EPA will be cracking down HARD on the performance aftermarket. Certain cars produced before a specified decade will be illegal to drive on the road. If I recall correctly, he heard the cutoff would be 90's era cars. So while EVs are a mere trend at this point in time, the end-goal is to keep improving emissions systems in ICE cars and creating strict legislation against the performance market.

 

[wrxified]

I know a guy who races cars and owns a performance tuning shop, and he says within the next 10 years the EPA will be cracking down HARD on the performance aftermarket. Certain cars produced before a specified decade will be illegal to drive on the road. If I recall correctly, he heard the cutoff would be 90's era cars.

He’s full of crap. Never happen. I buy into a lot of the other issues mentioned with electric vehicles but this is something that won’t happen.

 

[Litfuse]

He’s full of crap. Never happen. I buy into a lot of the other issues mentioned with electric vehicles but this is something that won’t happen.

I agree. I don’t see that happening, but what we can anticipate is a hard hit on the tuning market. Cobb is just one of the tuners/vendors that has pulled away from offering tunes for catless exhausts set ups.

 

[Sparky915]

I hope he's wrong. It would certainly be unprecedented if it were to happen. A lot can change in 10 years, though, and it could come in the form of regulations that would make it a lot harder to keep those older cars legal for public roads. I know that there's legislation for kill switches to be mandatory on all new cars here in the next couple of years, so there's that. Off-topic, but food for thought: nobody thought Canada would go after guns, yet last year they banned the sale of new handguns and are now coming after the rifles. Just because it seems too ridiculous to become true, doesn't mean that someone won't try to make it happen.

 

[wrxified]

I just can’t imagine one day in the next decade you telling my dad he can’t drive his 68 Camaro to the local cars and coffee. He’s going to hop in the Camaro that weekend with all of his guns and ammo and go down swinging with it. No way.

 

[wrxified]

Off-topic, but food for thought: nobody thought Canada would go after guns, yet last year they banned the sale of new handguns and are now coming after the rifles. Just because it seems too ridiculous to become true, doesn't mean that someone won't try to make it happen.

Thank God I don’t live in Canada. No
Offense to our northern neighbors here on the forum but anyone looking to strip me of my freedom and rights can go pound sand. I feel for them. Ridiculous.

 

[MazdaGuru]

Thank God I don’t live in Canada. No
Offense to our northern neighbors here on the forum but anyone looking to strip me of my freedom and rights can go pound sand. I feel for them. Ridiculous.

Yeah, thank god all right


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[ZeekZirconPPT]

I hope he's wrong. It would certainly be unprecedented if it were to happen. A lot can change in 10 years, though, and it could come in the form of regulations that would make it a lot harder to keep those older cars legal for public roads. I know that there's legislation for kill switches to be mandatory on all new cars here in the next couple of years, so there's that. Off-topic, but food for thought: nobody thought Canada would go after guns, yet last year they banned the sale of new handguns and are now coming after the rifles. Just because it seems too ridiculous to become true, doesn't mean that someone won't try to make it happen.

They always say they "aren't coming for your guns" but then they ALWAYS do.

 

[grumpychocobo]

Can we at least try to not stray into other political topics? I get that EVs can be political but at least EVs are automotive. Don't think anyone is coming here to see a possible gun argument start.

Anyway, I honestly thought my next vehicle would be full EV but I'm questioning that now and leaning more towards a PHEV next. I was set on Tesla but right now, agree with him on his opinions or not, Elon Musk isn't exactly giving a lot of people the warm fuzzies about his attention to Tesla. Add on how delayed so many things they have promised have become and it's shaken my confidence in owning one. Why not another EV? Pretty simple, charging network. Tesla has, by far, the most reliable and well distributed charging network and until that changes, it's the only full EV I'd consider.

Instead, I'm now keeping my eye on the upcoming CX-70 PHEV as a possible next vehicle.